I personally don't think the word "tsundere" itself is a problem. I think the problem lies with people unsure of characterization. Terms like that, I see as a springboard of sorts - a starting point that can then be developed further if used right. Also, the pigtails on Nyo!England is canon, in official Himaruya refs and in the manga and anime, that's why she's portrayed that way. (I'm not trying to start a fight or anything, please don't take this that way. I'm just offering an opinion.)
It is not the word, it is that people twist and mangle most of the so called “tsundere” caracters just so they can fit in that label. And that label had a lot of problems anyway o.o
Example: The manga writers/fanfic writers hardly tell the audience why the character is trying to hide their feelings. That leads to the cliché “oh, they are hiding they feelings because they are too proud”. But this is NOT an explanation. Why would the character pride get in the way? Do they think that ALL emotion display are weakness? Do they think that that will make them seem submissive and they are in a position of power? why?
Labels are ALWAYS a problem, and because I like a little bit too much of APH England I have a special anger towards the “tsundere”
The pigtails are secondary xD It is more like a style preference. I’m not saying that you are wrong because you and the people who like Fem!England with pigtails prefer sticking with the canon. I’m just giving my style opinion
And, well, I have some very unpopular opinion of Himaruya. I think that Himaruya is an idiot -___- he had an AWESOME idea that is hetalia, but he had no idea of what to to with it. And that’s why we have some stuff like the “rapist France” that he had done in the beginning of the series (yes, that was almost canon, he changed that when the fans started to complain) and the “Oh, let’s draw the characters as naked buttles for no reason at all, just some fansevice. Bitches LOVE fansevice” (Because, yes, it is cool that we have the man in mini aprons, but as far as I know it have been quite some time since he had done some historial and interesting strip)
I’m just of the opinion that Fandom hetalia have too much potential that the creator is wasting with mini aprons and bad jokes. Yes, I’m aware that hetalia is based in Japanese stereotypes of other nations, but a lot of them are dull and some ARE offensive (I will not forget that rapist France, even if Himaruya delete the strips. THAT is offensive)
And that is fine friend =3 *pats head* I’m not taking it personaly
People are becoming scared to share their opinions on Tumblr o.o
(And Dont’ worry, I guess my unpopular opinion about Himaruya is going to get more hate than disagreeing with some pigtails)
I happen to like the pigtails on Nyo!England, personally. Admittedly, though, they do work a lot better in chibi form XD I have seen some REALLY cute chibis of Nyo!England.
I’ve never seen anything from Himaruya about France being a rapist anywhere in the series. I thought that was just some of the fanbase horribly misinterpreting France’s character for whatever reason. So I’m afraid I’ll be politely disagreeing with you there, sorry.
I can see where you’re coming from, sort of, but I feel like part of it might be because the anime adaptation is the most well-known part of the franchise. Especially the English dub - THAT has a ton more potentially offensive stuff in it. I refuse to watch the dub. From what I’ve seen of the manga and the original webcomic, that feels like it’s a lot more historically-based. Plus, it seems to me like he’s pretty involved with a lot of the fans, so there’s a lot of influence from that which would explain the fanservice. I also have to make the argument, though, that the thing with the mini aprons was the April Fool’s Day strip - you know, holiday-based events meant for fun and celebration.
Himaruya isn’t INTENTIONALLY offensive with the stereotypes, it’s meant to be a parody, after all. And I do give him credit because he will change things if enough people get offended. Like, I think I read somewhere once that there was this whole thing about (South) Korea’s portrayal which made people mad and therefore was left out of the anime. (Again, though, I’ve never seen anything about the rapist France you’re talking about, so I don’t know what’s going on there.)
Also, I really hope you don’t get too much hate. It’s fine if people disagree with you, but you don’t deserve hate. You’re allowed to think what you want. Your original post wasn’t hurting anyone. People need to understand that it’s possible to disagree with someone without being hateful, and I think it’s the polite discussion of differing opinions that can help you make better friends with people. ^_^
Oh, on the Chibi it is more cute, yes.
Well, in lots of the old strips, Francis is really touching people without their consent. Something always stops him, but he doesn’t have that “Love shouldnt’t be forced upon anyone” attitude o.o
I was looking for a classic comic where he was undressing Spain (without spain noticing. Frankly, Himaruya portrail Spain as someone almost retarded, other thing that I don’t like), but unfortunately I didn’t find it. I only find these:
http://www.hetarchive.net/scanlations/deleted.php?eropaint (France abusing a little of Chibi!Italy)
http://www.hetarchive.net/scanlations/nonlinear.php?mrt (on that one, France took Austria Clothes off and Spain said that he had done that before)
You may say that this is just some interpretation, but that is as far as the parental rating allow him to go (God know what he would do if hetalia was MA)
I confess I haven’t seen the anime or the English dub. I was REALLY busy with school when they come out and I’m procrastinating to see. I only have the strips as database.
And the oficial manga let a lot out, I’m afraid ._.
And I understand that it was for a holiday (it was April’s Fool? I could swear it was Halloween o.o), but I still miss the more historial strips (or the strips that develop the characters, like the Davie one) that I haven’t seen too much for quite a while.
He changes when people call, yes. He is a good person who recognize that he had wronged. That is why, (as we are talking about France, Himaruya changed France’s speech to the “Do not force love” and now France is more like a nudist than rapist) But still is an idiot -.- he did what he thought was funny, satiric and parodial, without really being any of that. Like, you can be funny with stereotypes without being offensive, it is just gave some thought about it, but I have the impression that he didn’t give the things two thoughts. And I still don’t see nothing new done by him, so I don’t know if he really change or he is just making what people ask him.
I dunno, gurl, I still think that Himaruya is an idiot with an AMAZING idea (hetalia). If you walk in the right side of the fandon, there are WAY BETTER ideas and portrails than what the creator did.
And you seemed afraid to share your opinion xD so I guessed it was because of the Tumblr attitude some times -___-‘
And I reblogged in the wrong blog x_x
……AND I’VE JUST SEEN THAT THERE ARE A NEW HETALIA SERIE COMING!
Ok, now my argumet are invalid (let’s just hope that it is something new)